Tuesday, March 15, 2016

Sanders supporters will NOT vote for $hillary Clinton

Posted below (in case you need to log in at the Nation to read) are comments from Bernie supporters in response to a very condescending article written by Joshua Holland at The Nation trying to use scare tactics to unite the Democrats after super-delegates fix the election to nominate $hillary Clinton — stealing the nomination from Bernie Sanders.

The article is titled: "Relax. Bernie’s supporters will back Hillary if she’s the nominee" — but 99% of the comments left say just the opposite.

As an aside: If you'll note, the comments appear to be much more thoughtful and intelligent compared to the comments you'd read at Breitbart.Com (who supports Donald Trump). The comments below almost all agree, and almost all for the same reasons (as do I, if you'll notice the banner at the top of this page).

James Wagner says:
March 15, 2016 at 12:41 pm

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. I am no longer a Democrat and owe no allegiance to this corrupt party. In many ways it is worse than the Republican party because it pretends to stand for common people while furthering the interests of the elite. I will vote for Jill Stein or write in Bernie Sanders. I am a Sanders support and resent being told what I will do if Hillary is the nominee. The failure of a Republican presidency might just galvanize the nation to embrace the systemic change needed to mitigate the converging crises of the 21st century.

Bonnie Lill says:
March 15, 2016 at 12:22 pm

Mr. Holland appears to be unaware of the 40,000 + Sanders supporters who have signed the Bernie or Bust Pledge. I will not vote for Hillary; and if it takes losing the WH to Trump or Cruz to knock some sense into the Democratic Party and get them to go back to the left, then so be it. Bernie draws voters of all political persuasions, not just Democrats. Pennsylvania officials are reporting that more than 46,000 voters have changed their party affiliation from Democrat to Republican since January to vote for Trump because they don't trust Hillary on trade or fracking. And while they prefer Bernie, the media has them convinced that the super delegates will hand the nomination to Hillary no matter what, so they're voting Trump. When Hillary loses to Trump/Cruz, you can thank the DNC, party elites, and the media for pushing the flawed and weakest candidate on us. Even Bill Curry, WH council to Bill Clinton, is saying this.

Diane Curling says:
March 15, 2016 at 11:03 am

I won't vote for Hillary, and I actually voted for Hillary in the 2008 primary. I've volunteered for and given money to Democratic candidates for almost five decades and fully expected to vote for her in the general. But Hillary's continued embrace of Henry Kissenger and her deliberately gross distortions of Bernie's health care and economic positions have left this 65 plus year old liberal too sickened to even watch her in the debates. I'm not stupid; I know what is supposedly "at stake." But the establishment Democratic Party has pushed her so far down my throat that I feel I either have to write Bernie's name in the general or I'll choke to death.

Priscilla Rivas-loria says:
March 15, 2016 at 10:41 am

You are dreaming! I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. I have done my research and I am astonished at the level of corruption, lying and cheating of this woman and her husband. If I decide to go ahead and vote I will just write in Bernie in my ballot. Either way, if Trump or Hillary win they will lead our country straight to hell.

John Earl says: 
March 15, 2016 at 7:53 am

I'm sorry to break the news to you. But these are extraordinary times. The old paradigms don't work. Many supporters of Sanders, even if he endorses and campaigns for Clinton, will not vote for her. That's just the way it is. So yell or cry all you want. Clinton will not capture the lion's share of Sanders supporters' votes.

Bonnie Lill says:
March 15, 2016 at 12:35 pm

We care about the fact that the "New Democrats" — beginning with Bill Clinton — are Dinos who have moved too far to the right, and as a result, the middle-class has been decimated. The only thing these Dinos are liberal about is social issues (and they were late to the LGBTQ/same-sex marriage party) and guns. They're neoliberals on economic policies and neoconservative on foreign policies. They're more like Eisenhower Republicans than liberal Democrats. [Editor's note: Actually, it was Ike who warned us about the military–industrial complex.]

Jim Boydston says:
March 15, 2016 at 10:14 am

Compared to the fundamental issues that Bernie is running on, what you're citing here is relatively superficial, and it has been convincingly demonstrated that those issues stem from the underlying problems rooted in wealth inequality; it's all designed to keep the masses down. This alleged threat of all of these horrible things happening if we end up with a Republican government isn't much more than the sort of divisive propaganda we've been bombarded with for generations. What matters more than that, and above all else, is that we elect a leader we can trust, and there's only one candidate who fits that bill: Bernie Sanders. Anyone else, whether it's a Republiclown or DINO $hillary, will essentially do nothing more than perpetuate the current paradigm, and keep the oligarchs happy.

Christine Vanhoek says:
March 15, 2016 at 2:15 am

This article is SO wrong. The election this year is not like any other in recent memory. People are angry, scared and fed up. We are sick and tired of holding our noses and voting for the lesser of two evils time and time again and watching the nation go down the drain. Hillary Clinton is a war-monger, an opportunist, a corporatist, a liar with no values whatsoever. She is totally out for herself and has enough baggage to sink a battleship. Her negatives will sink her in a general election. #BernieOrBust

Jim Boydston says:
March 15, 2016 at 12:34 am

Until a few months ago, I was registered either as an independent, or no party preference (NPP), because I have long felt I ran to the left of the Democratic party ideology; I have only recently re-registered as a Democrat to be certain I wouldn't be barred from voting in the CA primary by the utterly-corrupt DNC. I've only voted for an establishment candidate once in my life, and I regret it. I will never do it again. If the USA ends up with a President Drumpf, it will only be the fault of the people for failing to thwart the oligarchs by putting the only person with integrity into the White House: Bernie Sanders. In my experience working with fellow grassroots activists for Bernie's campaign, I'm seeing more and more of us who are firmly rooted in our support for Bernie, and no one else. We will not vote for $hillary.

Beverly Burris says:
March 14, 2016 at 10:51 pm

There is one important fact that this essay ignores: Hillary is a criminal. I suspect that the FBI will recommend indictment soon, although Obama and Lynch will probably abet the coverup. However, I have seen enough evidence of pay to play corruption while she was SOS, mishandling of classified information, and accounting fraud by the Clinton Fdn. to be convinced that she should be indicted. If she is not, it will only prove that the system is as corrupt as she is. Regardless, she will never receive my vote. If the only choice we are given is between a far-right Republican and a moderate but corrupt Republican---I will vote Green and work to build a new progressive party.

Chris Niemitz says:
March 14, 2016 at 10:06 pm

Hillary is the problem, not the solution.

Lilian Young Wood says:
March 14, 2016 at 8:58 pm

Hmmm, I'm pretty sure those young folks that went to the polls for Bill and Obama will not be going for Hillary. The independents find her as repulsive as do I — who has voted democrat most my life (when I didn't vote green). I vow to never hold my nose to vote again; and you can blame the Democratic machine for that. They've betrayed their base so completely they deserve Donald Trump as president.

Jill Klausen says:
March 14, 2016 at 7:29 pm

This is not 2008. This time is different. Very different. We will not vote for Hillary even at the prospect of a Trump presidency. We're DONE with right-wing establishment politics and that includes Hillary. Underestimate us at your peril.

Jackie Simmons says:
March 14, 2016 at 7:15 pm

This election is not like any other. This campaign is not about one candidate versus another, it is about the people of this country versus the corrupt status quo at a pivotal moment in history. There is so much more at stake than what your patronizing article alludes to. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for environmental disaster — more fracking, more oil drilling, more CO2 and methane being released into an already stressed atmosphere and bodies of water. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for economic disaster — like her good friend Donald Trump, she is one of the wealthiest people on the planet and cares nothing (no matter what comes out of her mouth) for the poor and struggling. Her actions and record prove that she cares for shareholders, not stakeholders; profits, not people. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for perpetual war, regime change, and global instability because the military industrial complex (that she has significant financial ties to) is an immensely profitable operation. Let's see, a vote for Hillary Clinton means environmental disaster, economic disaster, and war. As bad as Donald Trump is, how is he worse? Clinton and Trump are just two brands of the same horror story. Take your pick: inverse totalitarianism or fascism? If I were you, Mr. Holland, rather than engaging in fear mongering such as this I would focus my efforts on making sure that Bernie Sanders is the Democratic nominee. Besides, polls show that Bernie Sanders defeats Trump by a much wider margin than Hillary Clinton — so if we really want to defeat Trump we will vote for Sanders.

Tom Jensen says:
March 14, 2016 at 6:56 pm

History may not be as close a guide as you expect Josh, the Bernie or Bust voter doesn't share Clinton motivations and has a different time horizon. The Clinton driver is no GOP in power, that's what brought PUMA into the fold. Bust is independent, to them GOP vs. Dem is meaningless economically, both parties took corporate money hand-over-fist and watched as the middle class disappeared. Bust plans to turn independent after the primaries in protest against DWS and the DNC. Bust cares far more about progressive vs. corporatist (Clinton & Trump), about economics (TPP, Wall Street) and war (Clinton & Trump). Where Clinton and Sanders agree is on social issues and identity politics. What's last on the priority list for Bust? Social issues and identity politics. It's the most frequent assumption made for why Bust will fold and it's a total disconnect. Other split is on ethics. Clinton is industrial-strength Machiavellian, ends justify the means. Sanders supporters are passionate about fairness in their politics and their lives, as a result they are absolutely incensed about the most rigged primary in modern American history. They can't wait to tell Hillary, DWS, the establishment and the media what they think of all this. To them Clinton's gaming the system means is justification for Bernie or Bust ends. That turns most Clinton supporters apoplectic, gasping for air and then hurling insults. The common assumption is common motives and that's a mistake. Means to Clintonites, off the radar, pointless. Means to Bust, a key priority; burying the debates, changing the lobbyist fundraising rules to funnel extra millions to her, bald-faced lies told on the trail, it fuels their anger. Fear of Trump will bring them in line? Bernie has said it's not about me it's about us, this is a revolution. Bust is aligned with that thinking, short term sacrifice for long term gain. Four years of Trump for eight years of Warren is preferable to a potential 16 years of Clinton corporatism and corruption for Hillary and her VP (Castro?). That also factors into SCOTUS, Trump likely gets two appointments, Warren gets more, and they'll be far more progressive than Clinton appointees. Time horizon is assumed to be now. It's not. Another disconnect. Final factor is Clinton's long term effects. As pres she names the next DNC Chair who runs the corrupt 2016 primary playbook to coronate her veep. Bust is motivated by a true progressive in the White House and is willing to break some eggs to do it. Even if that means Trump. Horrific as that is. Four years of hell but one silver lining - the end of Clinton. I'm Bust obviously, but rooting hard for Comey and Lynch to save the country. Bust will no doubt fade some in November, but the question is by how much? Factor in the very different motivations of Bust and history may not repeat itself. Angry and motivated Bernie or Bust + progressive no shows + independents who have no love for Hillary = danger for Clinton in November. Take those groups for granted and they may be the same people you are blaming in November.

Charlie Price says:
March 14, 2016 at 5:30 pm

You are grossly underestimating the antipathy toward perpetual war and "free trade." There may well be people who support War, Wall Street, and the TPP, but there aren't many (other than the uber-neocons like Robert Kagan who have already endorsed Hillary). If Trump is the Republican candidate, he will bury Hillary under NAFTA, CAFTA, the TPP, the TTIP, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Haiti, Honduras, Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, PhRMA, Wal-Mart, Private Prisons, FBI Investigations, the Foundation, fracking, and a host of other issues. One hugely important factor that people are forgetting is that Clinton is an 8-year commitment (unless you think she won't run for reelection), while Trump is only 4 years. I suspect that Progressives would prefer 4 years of Trump (spiking the TPP and not starting wars) + 4 years of Elizabeth Warren, over either 8 years of Hillary (passing the TPP and starting wars) or 4 years of Hillary + 4 years of an actual Republican.

Ron Widelec says:
March 14, 2016 at 4:13 pm

This #bernieorbust guy will never vote for Hillary Clinton. I will vote for my economic interests; if Bernie isn't an option, I'll vote GREEN. Otherwise we are simply telling the Democratic Party we will take any candidate they drop on us simply because the Republicans are worse. That is a recipe for the status quo, no hope of change EVER! The Democrats better get progressive or GET OUT OF THE WAY!

Ron Widelec says:
March 14, 2016 at 6:43 pm

If Hillary wins it will be due to the overwhelming force of the Democratic establishment, corporate donors, and corporate media. I have met do many people who prefer BERNIE over Hillary but say they are voting for her because she can win, despite all evidence to the contrary. I won't vote for a bad candidate simply because she has a D next to her name.


  1. I'm only guessing but, many "Reagan Democrats" and Independents may be voting for Trump because they think the DNC will rig the election to favor Hillary — and because the corporate media has been downplaying Bernie's chances of winning the Democratic nomination — and there are a lot more Independents than there are registered Democrats.)

  2. The one comment I found the most interesting:

    “One hugely important factor that people are forgetting is that Clinton is an 8-year commitment (unless you think she won't run for reelection), while Trump is only 4 years. I suspect that Progressives would prefer 4 years of Trump (spiking the TPP and not starting wars) + 4 years of Elizabeth Warren, over either 8 years of Hillary (passing the TPP and starting wars) or 4 years of Hillary + 4 years of an actual Republican.”

  3. Bill Maher Hits Dems Who Say They’ll Stay Home If Their Candidate Loses With Brutal Reality

    In the article they write:

    "Bernie Sanders is a great man who would do great things for this country if elected President. Hillary Clinton is a great woman who would do great things for this country if elected President. Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are all fringe right lunatics who would destroy this country for the good of the one percent. Period."


    Bull$hit! Hillary has been part of the problem all along.

    1. Four years of Trump won’t destroy the country unless he becomes a dictator. If he does some really off the wall Congress would impeach him.

  4. I’m afraid that after tonight’s election, it’s clear the Shillery Sheeple are going nominate the lying opportunist. I’m encouraging everyone to either write Bernie’s name in (if they can), or try to convince Bernie to run as an Independent (there’s more Independents than there are Democrats or Republicans), or to not vote at all. If Hillary doesn’t lose in the general election, and if Elizabeth Warren doesn’t run in 2020, we will have had the Clintons in the White House for 16 years! --- that’s longer than FDR! They don't deserve that! HELL NO!!!

    The regular media pundits on MSNBC (who have been trash-talking Bernie Sanders for weeks) are now being nice and gracious to him tonight. Those a-holes don't fool me, they are sucking up to Bernie's supporters because they will need them in the general election to beat Trump (or whoever). Bull$hit! I won't vote for someone who lied about my candidate to win the nomination. She can crash and burn in November for all I care, and I'll learn to live with Trump (or whoever). If he ever does anything really crazy, Congress can impeach him.

  5. Why is The Nation STILL pushing this narrative when it's not true? I received this article in my newsletter 3 days ago, and again today. Why? The editor of The Nation (Katrina vanden Heuvel) has endorsed Bernie Sanders — and clearly, judging my the reader's comments, this is not true. The Wall Street Journal did a poll showing 33% of Sanders supporters would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton. So why is The Nation pushing this idea when clearly most of the "mainstream" media has already been very busy trying to make the Democratic primary looking like it's already "done deal". Are they trying to kill the enthusiasm for voters who have not already voted in 50% of the remaining elections? Especially when the States most favorable for Bernie have not yet voted.

  6. New Wall Street Journal poll shows 33% of Bernie's supporter will not vote for Hillary.


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