Friday, April 15, 2016

New York Debate: Sanders vs. Clinton on Foreign Policy

Don't trust short cable news sound bites from CNN and MSNBC!

* NOTE: This is an update to a post where I posted a 10-minute video of the segments in the debate that dealt with the minimum wage and raising the cap for Social Security. Also, I posted a 5-minute video here with an interesting rant by a guy who streamed the Democratic debate last night, talking about political free speech. The link to the full debate is here, but he says it may not be there for long. 

Direct link: New York Debate Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton on Israel (11 minutes) > Don't trust cable news sound bites

(* My related post to Israel: The speech Bernie Sanders did NOT give at AIPAC)

Direct link: New York Debate Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton on NATO (4 minutes) > Don't trust cable news sound bites (A short irrelevant portion of Clinton's diatribe in the very beginning was edited out, but the full debate is here.)

Direct link: New York Debate Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton on Libya/Syria (6 minutes) > Don't trust cable news sound bites

Full transcript for the Brooklyn New York from CNN:

New York Debate Polls: Bernie Sanders was (by far) the biggest winner.

Previous Polls: Bernie Sanders was also the big winner in all other previous online polls (see the updates in comments section)

Notes for Search Results:

  • WHO: Senator Bernie Sanders and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
  • WHAT: Democratic Primary Debate
  • WHEN: Thursday, April 14, 2016 — 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. ET
  • WHERE: Brooklyn Navy Yard's Duggal Greenhouse, 63 Flushing Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11205, United States
  • WHY: Because the Democratic Party machine wants to nominate Hillary Clinton and "the people" want Bernie Sanders
  • HOW: On cable TV at CNN (and locally on NY1), online at CNNgo, on Sirius XM — and on YouTube. (The entire debate was posted at the Bernie 2016 TV Channel after being LIVE streamed. Now, for some reason, you have to manually move the timeline to the very beginning.)

Thursday night’s debate on CNN began at 9 p.m. ET live from the Brooklyn Navy Yard, and also aired locally on NY1. The event was being moderated by CNN's Wolf Blitzer, who was joined by CNN’s Dana Bash and NY1’s Errol Louis. A special edition of Anderson Cooper 360 aired immediately before the debate at 8 p.m. ET, and the network also aired post debate coverage and live analysis from 11 p.m. – 1 a.m. ET. Viewers also accessed coverage through CNNgo. Both CNN International and CNN en EspaƱol also carried the broadcast as well, and was listened to on Sirius XM satellite channel 116. The rhetoric between the Sanders and Clinton camps have grown more aggressive in recent weeks, as the underdog grassroots effort out of the Sanders campaign has claimed victory in eight of the previous nine states. The New York City debate finally came about after weeks of cajoling from both campaigns. The New York Democratic primary will be on April 19th.


  1. D.D. Guttenplan at The Nation writes:

    "Most astonishingly — at least to me, perhaps because I’ve been following New York politicians for 30 years — was when Wolf Blitzer “went there” on Israel, and asked Sanders whether he stood by his comment that Israel’s response to attacks in the 2014 Gaza war had been “disproportionate,” Sanders actually doubled down, saying that the number of civilian deaths indicated the response was indeed disproportionate, adding, “If we are ever going to bring peace to that region…we are going to have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity,” and that “there comes a time when you have to say that Netanyahu isn’t right all of the time.”

    Which won’t win him any votes in Borough Park. Here, again, Clinton repeatedly dodged the question.

    The Sanders campaign should never have gotten farther than New Hampshire. Yet here he is, a 74-year-old Jewish [democratic] socialist who won’t pander — even on Israel, even in Brooklyn — and who says that the incremental approach espoused by every Democratic president since Franklin Roosevelt just isn’t good enough, that the system is really broken. And somehow, so far, he’s still in the race." [Even Obama has been holding Netanyahu at arms length; and Jimmy Carter has made these point even stronger.]

  2. Hillary Clinton saw Iraq as "Profitable"

    Clinton vs. Obama & Sanders on Iraq War

  3. Jewish Democrats, like the rest of the party, have been struggling for years over the appropriate level of criticism when it comes to Israel’s policies in the occupied West Bank and Gaza. But that debate burst onto a big national stage this week thanks to Mr. Sanders, the most successful Jewish presidential candidate in history.

    Mr. Sanders’s comments, in the de facto capital of Jewish American politics, buoyed the liberal and increasingly vocal Democrats who believe that a frank discussion within the party has been muzzled by an older, more conservative Jewish leadership that is suspicious of criticism of Israel.

    Jeremy Ben-Ami, the president of J Street, a progressive pro-Israel lobbying group whose more critical view of the Israeli government has gained influence on Capitol Hill, said Mr. Sanders’s comments were “very different from the stale talking points that have dominated those types of discussions before” and contributed to a “meaningful redefinition of what it means to be pro-Israel.”

    At the 2012 Democratic National Convention, delegates lustily booed officials who reinstated in the party platform a recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, at odds with the United States’ official position that the city’s status must be negotiated between Israelis and Palestinians.

    Protesting Israel’s policies and advocating boycotts to pressure its government are practically electives for liberal college students furious about the growth of Israeli settlements in the West Bank. In Washington, relations between President Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are acrid, and last year more than 50 members of the Democratic caucus boycotted Mr. Netanyahu’s speech to Congress in which he criticized Mr. Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran.

    A Pew Research Center poll in 2014 about violence in Gaza found that Americans under 30 were more likely to blame Israel than to blame Hamas, though half blamed both or did not have an opinion. African-Americans and Hispanics also blamed Israel more often than Hamas.

    Those surveyed who were over 30 found Hamas more responsible, and the older the respondents were, the less they blamed Israel.

    “The roar in the crowd was telling,” said Peter Beinart, a leading voice in the liberal Zionist movement.

    “A Democratic Party dominated by progressive millennials, African-Americans and Latinos will gradually defect more and more from the Aipac-Bibi line,” he added, referring to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and to Mr. Netanyahu by his nickname.

    “Those aren’t their values,” Mr. Beinart continued. “What Bernie said last night, and the crowd’s response, were a sign of things to come.”

    Jewish activists who are highly critical of Israel said they would be thankful for his contribution even if he did not win.

    Minutes after the debate, Rebecca Vilkomerson, the executive director of Jewish Voice for Peace, a growing grass-roots organization that advocates pressuring Israel with the threat of boycotts, released a statement calling Mr. Sanders’s remarks “heartening” and added, “Today showed that the movement for Palestinian rights is shifting the discourse at the highest political levels.”

  4. Hillary is a perpetual liar

    1. During the 9th Democratic debate in New York, here is Hillary Clinton's attempt to shift the blame for the destruction of Libya:

      "At the end of the day, those are the decisions that are made by the president to in any way use American military power, and the president made that decision."

      President Obama recently admitted that liyba was the biggest mistake of his presidency, so Clinton's blame was was rubbing salt into the wound.

      And Clinton actually suggested that the intervention in Libya failed only "because of the Libyans' obstruction of our efforts."

      In fact, Clinton boasted, "I think we did a great deal to help the Libyan people after Gaddafi's demise" — despite the fact that Libya, once one of the wealthiest and most developed states on the African continent, has split into several warring states — including ISIL/ISIS — and become the very definition of a failed state.

      Bernie Sanders insisted that Clinton had "led the effort" for regime change in Libya, and added that "this is the same type of mentality that supported the war in Iraq."

      The head of the Foreign Affairs Committee in the Russian State Duma suggested that Clinton's rhetoric and her unbelievable unapologetic style, truly makes her a worthy successor to George W. Bush.

      That criticism echoes the opinions of policy analysts and ordinary people alike, who suggested that Clinton's statements were an indication of the candidate's nonchalant attitude toward the suffering of millions of people in the Middle East.

      (MY NOTE: * This is why Bernie Sanders says it's not just "experinece" that should matter but "judgement" as well. Clinton fails miserably with judgement — in forign policy, and a host of other ecobomic and social issues.)

  5. Hillary Emails Reveal Propaganda, Executions, Coveting Libyan Oil and Gold

    1. (* I 'm always hearing the name of Sydney Blumenthal being brought up in the most nefarious situations...)

      A March 27, 2011 intelligence brief on Libya, sent by long time close adviser to the Clintons and Hillary’s unofficial intelligence gatherer, Sidney Blumenthal, contains clear evidence of war crimes on the part of NATO-backed rebels.

      The same intelligence email from Sydney Blumenthal also confirms what has become a well known theme of Western supported insurgencies in the Middle East: the contradiction of special forces training militias that are simultaneously suspected of links to Al Qaeda.

      Though the French-proposed U.N. Security Council Resolution claimed the no-fly zone implemented over Libya was to protect civilians, an April 2011 email sent to Hillary with the subject line “France’s client and Qaddafi’s gold” tells of less noble ambitions. The email identifies French President Nicholas Sarkozy as leading the attack on Libya with five specific purposes in mind: to obtain Libyan oil, ensure French influence in the region, increase Sarkozy’s reputation domestically, assert French military power, and to prevent Gaddafi’s influence in what is considered “Francophone Africa.”

      Most astounding is the lengthy section delineating the huge threat that Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves, estimated at “143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver,” posed to the French franc (CFA) circulating as a prime African currency.

      Early in the Libyan conflict Secretary of State Clinton formally accused Gaddafi and his army of using mass rape as a tool of war. Though numerous international organizations, like Amnesty International, quickly debunked these claims, the charges were uncritically echoed by Western politicians and major media.

      (Read the whole article)

  6. Libyan Oil, Gold, and Qaddafi: The Strange Email Sidney Blumenthal Sent Hillary Clinton In 2011

  7. New York City Mayor Bill deBlasio and wife are liars and pimps for Democratic corporate whores.

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio made $231,145 last year. Bernie Sanders wants to lift the cap for Social Security taxes from $118,500 to $250,000 to expand Social Security and shore up the trust fund. That's why Bill de Blasio won't vote for Bernie Sanders.

    Hillary Clinton doesn't want to lift the cap because shes say she doesn't want to raise taxes on "the middle-class". Members of Congress make $174,000 a year, so Hillary Clinton doesn't want to raise their taxes either. That's why Bill de Blasio supports Hillary Clinton.

    Wage data from Social Security shows 92% of wage earners make less than $174,000 a year — and 98.8% make less that $250,000 a year. To Hillary Clinton, that's "middle-class".

    In 2008 Obama wanted to raise this cap too, but Hillary didn't ... because she wants to "break the barriers" and make us "whole again" because "the system shouldn't be rigged to just benefit those at the top".

    50% of wage earners make LESS than $28,851 a year

    This morning Bill de Blasio's wife is on CNN with Wolf Blitzer pimping for Hillary Clinton — saying we need a "progressive" president — while lying about Bernie Sanders.